NOTyour mb disc is needed maybe your ssd comes with driver disc put that in. Dent1 said:. SSD technology has been around since the s. SSDs have been commercially available for over a decade, the prices were not as cheap as today but they were around. Yes Vista supports SSD. Might be worth flashing the bios to the latest update. There might be a known issue relating to the SATA controller.
XSI said:. Joined Nov 22, Messages 28, 4. And no I did not load any driver from the disc that came with the motherboard. So after the files are loaded from the Vista disc, am I able to swap the Vista DVD with the motherboard disc and then it loads the driver from the motherboard disc?
Ok I give up, I will buy Windows 8. Thanks for the input guys! Last edited: Jan 16, FordGT90Concept "I go fast! Joined Oct 13, Messages 26, 5. You can use it for a few days without buying it to see if it will work. If it works then buy it. That actually might be the issue.
Samsung really needs to change its policy on firmware updates, if not for its own drive models, then at least for those of its partners.
The block-rewrite penalty associated with flash memory is the scourge of SSD performance. Flash cells are typically arranged in 4KB pages organized into KB blocks. If a cell is empty, pages can be written to directly in 4KB chunks.
If a cell is occupied, however, a rewrite of the entire block must be performed, even if only a single page is being written. Before a block can be rewritten, its contents must first be read and then modified—extra steps that need not be performed when dealing with empty cells.
The performance loss resulting from these factors is the block-rewrite penalty. At first blush, one might assume that simply ensuring an SSD has plenty of free capacity should avoid this calamity.
As a result, a solid-state drive can show plenty of available storage capacity yet still have all of its flash pages occupied. In that case, the block-rewrite penalty will hamper each and every write request. Indilinx has been busier, issuing firmware updates for its design seemingly every other month. Few details on this feature are available, although OCZ is promising to release a white paper on the technology soon. What we do know is that garbage collection is targeted at improving long-term drive performance.
Garbage collection has also come to Samsung-based drives via a new 18C1 firmware revision that the company will begin shipping in drives starting July 1. From what little has been revealed thus far, it appears the Indilinx and Samsung garbage collection schemes run automatically when the drive is idling. However, a potentially better solution to the block-rewrite problem looms just over the horizon in the form of the TRIM command.
Due to be supported by Windows 7, the TRIM command promises deal with the block-rewrite penalty by emptying pages when data is deleted rather than simply marking them as available.
The spec has yet to be finalized, though, and no drives currently support the command in the Windows 7 Release Candidate. The wiper tool apparently works quickly with some configurations, taking a matter of minutes to freshen a drive, and extremely slowly with others, requiring more than a day to complete a run through a GB SSD.
Unfortunately, our test system is one of those slow configs. Indeed, it appears the only drivers that work properly with the wiper utility are the ones Microsoft built into Vista. Switching storage controller drivers should be an easy task for any enthusiast. Vertical refresh sync vsync was disabled for all tests.
All the tests and methods we employed are publicly available and reproducible. If you have questions about our methods, hit our forums to talk with us about them.
First, we used an IOMeter workload consisting exclusively of 4KB random write requests to measure the response time of each drive in its factory-fresh state, with no occupied flash pages. This test neatly occupies all available flash pages, forcing a block rewrite for every subsequent write request. With our SSDs now in a simulated used state, we ran our IOMeter random writes test once more to gather response time data. All the drives have much quicker response times when fresh than in a simulated used state.
The performance differences vary from one drive to another, though. Neither compares to the Summit, whose used-state response times are roughly 20 times higher than with a fresh drive. In addition to exhibiting the greatest disparity between fresh and used response times, the Summit is easily slower in each state than the Vertex and XM.
Those two drives offer nearly identical used-state response times, although the fresh Vertex is quicker than the Intel drive in the same condition. Based on these results, the Summit and its underlying Samsung controller seem to be the most adversely affected by the block-rewrite penalty, at least in this synthetic test. The Vertex and XM, on the other hand, look pretty evenly matched when in a used state.
Keep in mind that the benchmark results on the following pages were all obtained with the drives running in our simulated used state. WorldBench WorldBench uses scripting to step through a series of tasks in common Windows applications. It then produces an overall score.
WorldBench also spits out individual results for its component application tests, allowing us to compare performance in each. Only four points separate the fastest drive from the slowest in WorldBench overall. The XM and latest Summit revision share the lead, with the Vertex trailing by three points. There, the Vertex turns in the quickest completion time, followed nearly half a minute later by the Summit with its latest firmware.
Only a few seconds separate the fastest drives from the slowest in all three tests. This is where things get interesting. The XM sits in second place, the meat in a Summit sandwich. The Summits fill out the back of the pack, with the latest 18C1 firmware again delivering a notable performance advantage over the initial release.
Boot and load times To test system boot and game level load times, we busted out our trusty stopwatch. Far Cry 2 loads slower on the Vertex than on the other drives, but the difference is only about a second. Not even that separates the pack in Call of Duty 4. File Copy Test File Copy Test is a pseudo-real-world benchmark that times how long it takes to create, read, and copy files in various test patterns.
To get reliable results, we had to not only drop back to an older 0. During our initial testing, we noticed that larger test patterns tended to generate more consistent file creation, read, and copy times.
For our tests, we created custom MP3, video, and program files test patterns weighing in at roughly 10GB each. The MP3 test pattern was created from a chunk of my own archive of ultra-high-quality MP3s, while the video test pattern was built from a mix of video files ranging from MB to 1.
We also had to perform some additional test runs to replace obviously erroneous results that cropped up occasionally. The Summit absolutely dominates our file creation tests. Only in the program files test pattern is the Intel drive threatened by the Indilinx-powered Vertex.
With the video and MP3 test patterns, the Vertex trails by greater margins. As we switch to read tests, the XM assumes the lead across all three test patterns. The Intel drive has a notable edge over the Summit, which in turn has an even greater advantage over the Vertex. Copy tests combine read and write operations. With this cocktail, the Summit leads in the program files and video test patterns.
Although it eclipses the performance of both Summit configs in the MP3 test pattern, the Vertex falls to the back of the pack with the program files and video test patterns. Its transfer rates are half those of the XM with both test patterns—and several times slower than the leading Summit drives. Poor random write performance appears to be the culprit here, at least in part; the Summit is much worse off in the file server, database, and workstation test patterns, which are the only ones that contain write requests.
The XM and Vertex are closely matched with the file server access pattern, but the Vertex pulls ahead when we switch to simulated database and workstation loads. Interestingly, the Intel drive dominates in the web server access pattern, which is made up exclusively of read operations.
Share More sharing options Followers 1. Recommended Posts. Posted December 26, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options Well you can trim on Vista just fine manually , if it is possible on XP, it should be also on Vista: The point might be is wherther the specific SSD is "recognized" by available software.
Posted December 27, Posted December 27, edited. WinClient Posted December 27, So see the links in my first post to this thread for "work arounds" third party programs that allow you to bypass the new Win 8 start screen, and give you a more traditional menu launcher for your desktop. I recently put a Samsung series SSD in my desktop computer. Making the switch to the SSD has significantly cut down the boot time and makes the whole machine feel faster and more responsive.
I think you'll be pleased with the improvement that the SSD particularly the Samsung series will make. Regarding getting Win8 at the current intro price, I don't think Win8 will work for me since I read that it's not compatible with MS Office I use Word and Excel a lot and I don't want to pay for an upgrade since the version does everything I need.
I'm not sure if Photoshop 7 is compatible with Win8 either. And there's other software that I use which may not be compatible with Win8. And thanks for your confirmation that Vista runs noticeably faster with no slow down on a SSD.
Running Magician should insure that slow downs don't occur. That's very interesting software that works with 64 Bit Vista that doesn't work with Windows 8 , as they're all very similar "under the covers".
You can download it from Microsoft at no charge if you're using Win 7 Pro or Ultimate. But, articles about the availability of that feature in Win 8 Pro are a bit confusing. So, frankly, I do not know if you can do the same thing in Win 8 Pro yet or not. As for your problem with Office , that application is bit "dated" now with newer Office , and versions released since then.
Have you looked at third party Office Suite products to see if they would work for you? For example, these:. Personally, I use tbe free LibreOffice for docs and spreadsheets, as does my wife and she often works with docs form her work at home using LibreOffice, even though she uses Microsoft Office at work.
That they're available for both Windows and Linux is also a big plus. For example, my wife runs Linux exclusively when she's at home, and has no issues working on docs and spreadsheets she uses with Microsoft Office when at work, using LibreOffice in Linux for that purpose when at home.
Just run the Performance Optimization Utility you'll find with the included Samsung Magician software from time to time to restore optimum performance. That's a fine link you posted. I'd much rather do a clean Vista install to get it working optimally. It should work fine with your docs and spreadsheets, expecially since you're using a 12 year old version of MS Office Office , judging by your earlier posts.
A newer version of LibreOffie would also give you better compatibility with files created by newer versions of Microsoft Office, without the hassles of installing import filters like you need to do with your existing version of MS Office to work with newer file formats.
If you don't like it, just uninstall it. You can have more than one Office Suite installed at the same time. Even if you don't care about upgrading to newer version of Windows, I'd still see how well LibreOffice works for you, so that you'd have an Office Suite that works with newer file formats and again, LibreOffice is free.
My wife and I both use LibreOffice at home and we both use it under Linux , even though we need to share docs and spreaadsheets with users of MS Office that we work with, and it works fine for that purpose. It's available for both Windows and Linux, and it's Open Source, free software; that allows you to read and write to MS Office file formats. Photoshop 7 and everything else works on Win7 HP without fiddling.
Luckily, have not had a need to upgrade to Win7 Pro. So I had to give up on OpenOffice. I scoured the web for many, many hours and finally found a registry fix to allow MS Word to work normally with Win7. Maybe it's bullet method will work like MS Word. Sounds like it will work fine with Vista. Now gotta find a good Black Friday sale for a GB version. So, most Linux distributions included a fork known as Go-OO instead, which was basically OpenOffiuce with some enhancements to improve compatibility with MS Office files.
But, after Oracle acquired Sun and took over OpenOffice, developers became concerned about Oracle's stewardship of the OpenOffice Project, and created a "fork" of the product known as LibreOffice. Just to make things interesting, Oracle decided to let the Apache Foundation take over development of OpenOffice, and relinquished all control of that project. So, OpenOffice is improving over time, too.
But, for now, I'd stick with LibreOffice, as more developers are working on it to make it better. You can install and test drive it without uninstalling your existing MS Office suite. So, if it doesn't work for you, just uninstall it and go back to useing your [very old] version of MS Office instead.
But, as dated as your version of MS Office is now, you'd probably be happier with a new version of LibreOffice instead, and have better compatibility with files you're sharing with users of newer versions of MS Office. If I can confirm that Photoshop 7 is compatible with Win8 before the January 31st intro sale is over, I'll give LibreOffice a test run.
Would you happen to know if Win8 can pin applications to the Quick Launch bar like Win7 can? Having a 3rd party shell for the start menu would be great but I mostly use icons on the desktop and on the quick launch bar while working with Win7 and Vista. One other thing I read about Win8 is that it can only have one application open at a time. I wouldn't be able to compute happily without having multiple applications open at the same time and being able to switch to any one by clicking their icon in the task bar.
Just download and install it and see if you like it or not. If not, just uninstall it and keep using your older version of MS Office you don't have to uninstall MS Office to install LibreOffice, as you can have more than one Office Suite installed, just as you can have more than one Internet Browser installed.
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